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	<title>Comments on: Sylvia Lim grills Home Affairs, Environment Ministers</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Gwee</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-11690</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Gwee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the MRT matters, I have heard enough about the security issue. Until we are prepared to even guard our busiest stations 
with military guards from our Armed Forces, we have done nothing but tempted some recalcitrant Caucasions (so far)to prove that we are extremely vulnerable. Who is observing these issues with interest but the possible TERRORISTS? We have arrested and detained some already? This is a cinch for possible terrorists because they hardly need to take risks to find out where the weaknesses are. The occasional Caucasion whose appetite has not diminished will try again and make a big break this time.
Don&#039;t ever let the same thing happen like in UK when a suspected terrorist was chased through a train and was eventually shot dead because he refused to surrender ?
Will this be enough to cause serious  concern to our country.
Let us hear from our security (must be integrated) what is being done to minimise the possibility from the same thing happening in Singapore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the MRT matters, I have heard enough about the security issue. Until we are prepared to even guard our busiest stations<br />
with military guards from our Armed Forces, we have done nothing but tempted some recalcitrant Caucasions (so far)to prove that we are extremely vulnerable. Who is observing these issues with interest but the possible TERRORISTS? We have arrested and detained some already? This is a cinch for possible terrorists because they hardly need to take risks to find out where the weaknesses are. The occasional Caucasion whose appetite has not diminished will try again and make a big break this time.<br />
Don&#8217;t ever let the same thing happen like in UK when a suspected terrorist was chased through a train and was eventually shot dead because he refused to surrender ?<br />
Will this be enough to cause serious  concern to our country.<br />
Let us hear from our security (must be integrated) what is being done to minimise the possibility from the same thing happening in Singapore</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone 5</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-10357</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made certain nice points there. I did a search on the subject and found a good number of persons will go along with with your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made certain nice points there. I did a search on the subject and found a good number of persons will go along with with your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Wai Leong</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5143</link>
		<dc:creator>Wai Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in reference to someone claiming I have a &quot;hardcore&quot; belief, may I state that some posters here have equally &quot;hardcore&quot; anti-pap beliefs. So much so that they cannot differentiate anger against pap for this issue from anger over 20 other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in reference to someone claiming I have a &#8220;hardcore&#8221; belief, may I state that some posters here have equally &#8220;hardcore&#8221; anti-pap beliefs. So much so that they cannot differentiate anger against pap for this issue from anger over 20 other issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Wai Leong</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5142</link>
		<dc:creator>Wai Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not about 对牛弹琴.

In any public debate it is a given that the two parties will never agree with each other, unless one&#039;s position is so weak as to be logically unsustainable. 

What is important is whether arguments made by both sides are well-supported by logic, and whose arguments are substantive, properly founded in logic and reason and how the audience decided, after hearing the clear arguments of both sides.

Hopefully, if there were any hidden agendas or faulty logic or petty animosities, they would have been exposed so that the audience can make an informed judgement of the issue at hand.

That&#039;s the true purpose of a debate-- to enable an audience to listen to both sides and make up their own minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not about 对牛弹琴.</p>
<p>In any public debate it is a given that the two parties will never agree with each other, unless one&#8217;s position is so weak as to be logically unsustainable. </p>
<p>What is important is whether arguments made by both sides are well-supported by logic, and whose arguments are substantive, properly founded in logic and reason and how the audience decided, after hearing the clear arguments of both sides.</p>
<p>Hopefully, if there were any hidden agendas or faulty logic or petty animosities, they would have been exposed so that the audience can make an informed judgement of the issue at hand.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the true purpose of a debate&#8211; to enable an audience to listen to both sides and make up their own minds.</p>
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		<title>By: woody</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5137</link>
		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This debate is both interesting and worrying. Interesting for the relentless effort of both sides in stating their stand. Worrying because of the logic posted by Wai Leong.

This is hardcore belief on his part, which may not work to the interest of Singapore if we want to move forward.

But yes, he has every right in saying what he wants to say. And I feel that the posters engaged in this debate with him is like 对牛弹琴, playing guitar to the cow literally speaking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This debate is both interesting and worrying. Interesting for the relentless effort of both sides in stating their stand. Worrying because of the logic posted by Wai Leong.</p>
<p>This is hardcore belief on his part, which may not work to the interest of Singapore if we want to move forward.</p>
<p>But yes, he has every right in saying what he wants to say. And I feel that the posters engaged in this debate with him is like 对牛弹琴, playing guitar to the cow literally speaking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wai Leong</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5073</link>
		<dc:creator>Wai Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 00:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not about frogs and wells or how big your view is.

If A made a mistake, you don&#039;t jump after B.

And esp, you don&#039;t let 20 other things that B did wrong to cloud your views.

That&#039;s perceptual bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not about frogs and wells or how big your view is.</p>
<p>If A made a mistake, you don&#8217;t jump after B.</p>
<p>And esp, you don&#8217;t let 20 other things that B did wrong to cloud your views.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s perceptual bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Roundup: Week 30 &#171; The Singapore Daily</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5068</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Roundup: Week 30 &#171; The Singapore Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 02:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My Story - The Temasek Review: The old ways of doing things does NOT work anymore - Gerald Giam: Sylvia Lim grills Home Affairs, Environment Ministers - Sgpolitics.net: Our police state is fraying at the edges - The Kent Ridge Common: ST Forum: A [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My Story &#8211; The Temasek Review: The old ways of doing things does NOT work anymore &#8211; Gerald Giam: Sylvia Lim grills Home Affairs, Environment Ministers &#8211; Sgpolitics.net: Our police state is fraying at the edges &#8211; The Kent Ridge Common: ST Forum: A [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5065</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wai Leong,
My vision is definitely not clouded I can assure you. And so are a lot of other citizens. Don&#039;t give me that &#039;I am a frog in a well&#039; mentality, and the high-handed &#039;look at the bigger picture&#039; advice.

Basically I want to see accountability. If you are being paid like CEOs, then take the responsibilities that come with the status and salaries. I seriously dislike the flippant attitudes and answers that have been given out to the public, and of late the fault always lie with us.

The PAP should pick up an advice or two:
When someone criticizes you, it&#039;s not to put you down. Rather it&#039;s for you to pull up your socks that you are not addressing our concerns well.

How&#039;s that for a &#039;big picture&#039; advice?

Kaffein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wai Leong,<br />
My vision is definitely not clouded I can assure you. And so are a lot of other citizens. Don&#8217;t give me that &#8216;I am a frog in a well&#8217; mentality, and the high-handed &#8216;look at the bigger picture&#8217; advice.</p>
<p>Basically I want to see accountability. If you are being paid like CEOs, then take the responsibilities that come with the status and salaries. I seriously dislike the flippant attitudes and answers that have been given out to the public, and of late the fault always lie with us.</p>
<p>The PAP should pick up an advice or two:<br />
When someone criticizes you, it&#8217;s not to put you down. Rather it&#8217;s for you to pull up your socks that you are not addressing our concerns well.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for a &#8216;big picture&#8217; advice?</p>
<p>Kaffein</p>
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		<title>By: Wai Leong</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5063</link>
		<dc:creator>Wai Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One should learn to see things clearly, and not let dissatisfaction, unhappiness and frustration over the failings of PAP in other areas cloud one&#039;s vision in this particular area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should learn to see things clearly, and not let dissatisfaction, unhappiness and frustration over the failings of PAP in other areas cloud one&#8217;s vision in this particular area.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/sylvia-lim-grills-home-affairs-environment-ministers/comment-page-1/#comment-5062</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wai Leong wrote: &quot;That’s why many countries have privatised their state-owned telcos, power generation, airlines, banks and other state-owned enterprises, etc.&quot;

Kaffein&gt;
Exactly. So pray tell me why are MPs and Ministers&#039; names found as chairpersons, board of directors and senior decision makers? Do you want me to start quoting the list? Also tell me which 1st world country PM has his wife in a government investment body managing public billions of dollars?

Gee... whatever you are smoking, I might want some of those.

Mas Selamat&#039;s escape. Not Minister of MHA&#039;s problem. Flooding. Not Minister of Env&#039;s problem. MRT security lapses. Not MHA&#039;s or LTA&#039;s problem. Housing issues. Not Minister&#039;s problem. Over-crowding. Not Minister for Transport problem. Loss of billions. Not Minister of Finance problem. Budget forecast and deficit (previous years). Not their problem. Town Councils loss. Not their problem.

If I had paid peanuts, I&#039;d expect monkeys. But then I didn&#039;t, did I? So the actual answers to these problem may be so obvious and staring under our noses.

But all I get is:
Singaporeans&#039; complacency, global crisis, market factors, too high expectations of government, too lofty ideals of youths, &quot;How much do you want? Do you want three meals in a hawker centre&quot;, lesser mortals, etc.

People put the blame on the government when they are told the ministers have to be paid millions because &#039;we are the A-team&#039;. So when things don&#039;t go well, can the Z-team resign?

*rolls eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wai Leong wrote: &#8220;That’s why many countries have privatised their state-owned telcos, power generation, airlines, banks and other state-owned enterprises, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kaffein&gt;<br />
Exactly. So pray tell me why are MPs and Ministers&#8217; names found as chairpersons, board of directors and senior decision makers? Do you want me to start quoting the list? Also tell me which 1st world country PM has his wife in a government investment body managing public billions of dollars?</p>
<p>Gee&#8230; whatever you are smoking, I might want some of those.</p>
<p>Mas Selamat&#8217;s escape. Not Minister of MHA&#8217;s problem. Flooding. Not Minister of Env&#8217;s problem. MRT security lapses. Not MHA&#8217;s or LTA&#8217;s problem. Housing issues. Not Minister&#8217;s problem. Over-crowding. Not Minister for Transport problem. Loss of billions. Not Minister of Finance problem. Budget forecast and deficit (previous years). Not their problem. Town Councils loss. Not their problem.</p>
<p>If I had paid peanuts, I&#8217;d expect monkeys. But then I didn&#8217;t, did I? So the actual answers to these problem may be so obvious and staring under our noses.</p>
<p>But all I get is:<br />
Singaporeans&#8217; complacency, global crisis, market factors, too high expectations of government, too lofty ideals of youths, &#8220;How much do you want? Do you want three meals in a hawker centre&#8221;, lesser mortals, etc.</p>
<p>People put the blame on the government when they are told the ministers have to be paid millions because &#8216;we are the A-team&#8217;. So when things don&#8217;t go well, can the Z-team resign?</p>
<p>*rolls eyes*</p>
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