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		<title>By: Palm Beach Condos</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2009/11/lower-voting-age-to-18-before-next-election/comment-page-1/#comment-6088</link>
		<dc:creator>Palm Beach Condos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 47</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a PAP activist - TOC: Remember GE2006 – Sylvia Lim’s Tenacity - Gerald Giam&#8217;s Blog: Lower voting age to 18 before next election - Kelvin Teo Writes: Should upgrading decisions be even placed in the hands of politicians? - Diary [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a PAP activist &#8211; TOC: Remember GE2006 – Sylvia Lim’s Tenacity &#8211; Gerald Giam&#8217;s Blog: Lower voting age to 18 before next election &#8211; Kelvin Teo Writes: Should upgrading decisions be even placed in the hands of politicians? &#8211; Diary [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZX - Nice to hear from you. Hope you are doing well. I don&#039;t think the govt needs to fear campus politicisation. Uni students are mostly of voting age (at least the guys, who are the ones most politically active), but you hardly see any politicisation. Polys? I really don&#039;t think so. 

Actually if you think about it, voting and fighting a war are quite unrelated. It makes for good sound bites when you juxtapose them (which I did) but in reality, 18 year olds should be allowed to vote because they are old enough and mature enough, not because they are men of war.

Anon - I think it may be possible for the oppo to argue for shorten NS (say from 2 years to 1.5 years for non-officers), but it won&#039;t be right, nor politically astute to argue for the complete end to conscription. For Nixon, it was about stopping the draft so that young men will stop being sent to their death to fight in some civil war on the other side of the globe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZX &#8211; Nice to hear from you. Hope you are doing well. I don&#8217;t think the govt needs to fear campus politicisation. Uni students are mostly of voting age (at least the guys, who are the ones most politically active), but you hardly see any politicisation. Polys? I really don&#8217;t think so. </p>
<p>Actually if you think about it, voting and fighting a war are quite unrelated. It makes for good sound bites when you juxtapose them (which I did) but in reality, 18 year olds should be allowed to vote because they are old enough and mature enough, not because they are men of war.</p>
<p>Anon &#8211; I think it may be possible for the oppo to argue for shorten NS (say from 2 years to 1.5 years for non-officers), but it won&#8217;t be right, nor politically astute to argue for the complete end to conscription. For Nixon, it was about stopping the draft so that young men will stop being sent to their death to fight in some civil war on the other side of the globe.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to provide more food for thought, conscription has been a political issue in other countries. 

From wikipedia &quot;During the 1968 presidential election, Richard Nixon campaigned on a promise to end the draft&quot;

If the opposition wants to make an issue of it, it will be quite easy as extensive research has already been done on the economic costs of conscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to provide more food for thought, conscription has been a political issue in other countries. </p>
<p>From wikipedia &#8220;During the 1968 presidential election, Richard Nixon campaigned on a promise to end the draft&#8221;</p>
<p>If the opposition wants to make an issue of it, it will be quite easy as extensive research has already been done on the economic costs of conscription.</p>
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		<title>By: Zheng Xi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zheng Xi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gerald, hope you and your family are well. Glad to see you&#039;re still writing. 

Another possible reason for the government not wanting to lower the voting age to 18: a fear of campus politicization, especially at Polytechnic level. 

After the Tan Wah Piow NUS activism era, my impression is that some of the edgier student politics occured in Singapore Poly. A few representatives of the SP union were locked up in the late 80s Marxist conspiracy. My little theory.

If anyone cares enough about this issue to campaign actively for it, I think a slogan juxtaposing the duties of NS vs the lack of a right to vote would be quite effective. &quot;Old enough to go to War, not old enough to vote&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gerald, hope you and your family are well. Glad to see you&#8217;re still writing. </p>
<p>Another possible reason for the government not wanting to lower the voting age to 18: a fear of campus politicization, especially at Polytechnic level. </p>
<p>After the Tan Wah Piow NUS activism era, my impression is that some of the edgier student politics occured in Singapore Poly. A few representatives of the SP union were locked up in the late 80s Marxist conspiracy. My little theory.</p>
<p>If anyone cares enough about this issue to campaign actively for it, I think a slogan juxtaposing the duties of NS vs the lack of a right to vote would be quite effective. &#8220;Old enough to go to War, not old enough to vote&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon - Interesting I didn&#039;t think of that. See my answer to Ryan below.

fievel - THanks. :)

Alfonso - I agree with you that 17 would be appropriate too. But I&#039;m also realistic enough to know that getting them to reduce it to 18 (in line with 90% of the democratic world) would be hard enough, so we&#039;ll take things step by step.

Ryan - I wouldn&#039;t assume that all 18 year old males would be pissed at NS and vote for the opposition. I think most Singaporeans, myself included, accept the necessity of NS even if we may grumble a lot about it. Fyi the opposition (at least the WP) also supports NS, so it isn&#039;t really an election issue.

Absalom - Singapore is different from the US in that voting is compulsory here. So if 18, 19 and 20-year olds were enfranchised, they would ALL have to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon &#8211; Interesting I didn&#8217;t think of that. See my answer to Ryan below.</p>
<p>fievel &#8211; THanks. :)</p>
<p>Alfonso &#8211; I agree with you that 17 would be appropriate too. But I&#8217;m also realistic enough to know that getting them to reduce it to 18 (in line with 90% of the democratic world) would be hard enough, so we&#8217;ll take things step by step.</p>
<p>Ryan &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t assume that all 18 year old males would be pissed at NS and vote for the opposition. I think most Singaporeans, myself included, accept the necessity of NS even if we may grumble a lot about it. Fyi the opposition (at least the WP) also supports NS, so it isn&#8217;t really an election issue.</p>
<p>Absalom &#8211; Singapore is different from the US in that voting is compulsory here. So if 18, 19 and 20-year olds were enfranchised, they would ALL have to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Absalom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Absalom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lowering the voting age from 21 to 18 did not make any change in the United States. That voting bloc simply does not vote in numbers significant enough to affect elections. The PAP could give two votes to all 18-, 19- and 20-year-olds on the island, and it would make no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lowering the voting age from 21 to 18 did not make any change in the United States. That voting bloc simply does not vote in numbers significant enough to affect elections. The PAP could give two votes to all 18-, 19- and 20-year-olds on the island, and it would make no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is clear that no such thing would happen because the vast majority of the guys at 18yo would be very pissed of with having to waste their lives away in NS for two years and would vote for the opposition. The PAP would rather give them a few more years to cool down after NS before allowing them to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that no such thing would happen because the vast majority of the guys at 18yo would be very pissed of with having to waste their lives away in NS for two years and would vote for the opposition. The PAP would rather give them a few more years to cool down after NS before allowing them to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfonso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfonso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good proposal and timely too.

Your reasonings are sound and logical. At the age of 18, many would be studying or completing their A levels or polytechnic education. They should be in a good position to make responsible decisions. 

I would even propose for the age to be reduced to 17, because at 17 they would have completed their secondary 4 education, and waiting to be called up for National Service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good proposal and timely too.</p>
<p>Your reasonings are sound and logical. At the age of 18, many would be studying or completing their A levels or polytechnic education. They should be in a good position to make responsible decisions. </p>
<p>I would even propose for the age to be reduced to 17, because at 17 they would have completed their secondary 4 education, and waiting to be called up for National Service.</p>
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		<title>By: fievel</title>
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		<dc:creator>fievel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said! I like your perspectives buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said! I like your perspectives buddy.</p>
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