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		<title>By: huhaahaa</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2009/07/needless-name-calling-by-the-straits-times/comment-page-1/#comment-2877</link>
		<dc:creator>huhaahaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think its very subtle, i almost call her master. &quot;Geylang used to be a mixed multilingual area. Now, almost all new shop signs are in Chinese only, fast turning this into a Chinese enclave, a comfortable outpost of China for new residents from that country flooding the district. Is this something to be encouraged in multilingual Singapore, supposedly proud of our four official languages?&quot;

What does this paragraph say? its states the following:
1. Geylang is now turning into a Chinese Conclave.
2. Her using a rather derrogatory &quot;THAT&quot; to imply China
3. Opposing support for the using of mandarin signs to make the foreigners feel comfortable.

At least, that&#039;s the way i read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think its very subtle, i almost call her master. &#8220;Geylang used to be a mixed multilingual area. Now, almost all new shop signs are in Chinese only, fast turning this into a Chinese enclave, a comfortable outpost of China for new residents from that country flooding the district. Is this something to be encouraged in multilingual Singapore, supposedly proud of our four official languages?&#8221;</p>
<p>What does this paragraph say? its states the following:<br />
1. Geylang is now turning into a Chinese Conclave.<br />
2. Her using a rather derrogatory &#8220;THAT&#8221; to imply China<br />
3. Opposing support for the using of mandarin signs to make the foreigners feel comfortable.</p>
<p>At least, that&#8217;s the way i read it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 29</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Singapore Coloring - Toadjuice..: Geylang, Chinese and the irrationality of fear. Is it really irrational? - geraldgiam.sg: Needless name-calling by the Straits Times [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Singapore Coloring &#8211; Toadjuice..: Geylang, Chinese and the irrationality of fear. Is it really irrational? &#8211; geraldgiam.sg: Needless name-calling by the Straits Times [...]</p>
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		<title>By: subra</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2009/07/needless-name-calling-by-the-straits-times/comment-page-1/#comment-2811</link>
		<dc:creator>subra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Gerald.  I don&#039;t see any xenophobia in Ms Amy Loh&#039;s letter.  She is not expressing concern about the influx of foreigners.  She is not advocating that foreign talent be kept at bay.  She is merely voicing a disturbing trend of non-integretion which, in the long run, is harmful to society.

I don&#039;t think that is xenophobia or a result of it.  It is basically a case of the letter writer suggesting that there should be integretion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Gerald.  I don&#8217;t see any xenophobia in Ms Amy Loh&#8217;s letter.  She is not expressing concern about the influx of foreigners.  She is not advocating that foreign talent be kept at bay.  She is merely voicing a disturbing trend of non-integretion which, in the long run, is harmful to society.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that is xenophobia or a result of it.  It is basically a case of the letter writer suggesting that there should be integretion.</p>
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		<title>By: aygee</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2009/07/needless-name-calling-by-the-straits-times/comment-page-1/#comment-2810</link>
		<dc:creator>aygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If its one&#039;s &quot;mother tongue&quot;, naturally, one would be able to speak it, right? thats the spoken language at home.

I also say there should be a relaxation of the second language policy. We can look to Germany and Finland for their second language policies in schools. or even US.

I have many overseas born chinese and korean friends who grew up not knowing their mother tongue. But their parents sent them for lessons so that they will keep hold of their heritage, and spoke it at home. The point here being - its up to parents to choose what they want for their child.

In university, seeing the need to have mandarin, studied it themselves.

So they come out of school having good spoken English, good cantonese/hakka (because thats what they speak at home), and Mandarin (thats what they studied in Uni, a choice of their own). 

Also, a relaxation of the second language policy would also remove the great race divide. its the next step of building Singaporean nationalism. that we are singaporeans, not malays indians or chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If its one&#8217;s &#8220;mother tongue&#8221;, naturally, one would be able to speak it, right? thats the spoken language at home.</p>
<p>I also say there should be a relaxation of the second language policy. We can look to Germany and Finland for their second language policies in schools. or even US.</p>
<p>I have many overseas born chinese and korean friends who grew up not knowing their mother tongue. But their parents sent them for lessons so that they will keep hold of their heritage, and spoke it at home. The point here being &#8211; its up to parents to choose what they want for their child.</p>
<p>In university, seeing the need to have mandarin, studied it themselves.</p>
<p>So they come out of school having good spoken English, good cantonese/hakka (because thats what they speak at home), and Mandarin (thats what they studied in Uni, a choice of their own). </p>
<p>Also, a relaxation of the second language policy would also remove the great race divide. its the next step of building Singaporean nationalism. that we are singaporeans, not malays indians or chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
		<link>http://geraldgiam.sg/2009/07/needless-name-calling-by-the-straits-times/comment-page-1/#comment-2809</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aygee and all - Malay and Indian students can&#039;t get into Chinese SAP schools because they are forced to take Malay or Tamil as their 2nd (or 1st) language, because of MOE&#039;s Mother Tongue policy. 

Would Malays and Tamils agree to their children not being forced to take a certain language? I know many Chinese will chafe at the idea of not forcing Chinese students to study Chinese.

Personally I&#039;m for the relaxation or even elimination of the Mother Tongue policy. But the 2nd language choices should be limited to only Chinese, Malay and Tamil (our official languages), not French or Japanese, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aygee and all &#8211; Malay and Indian students can&#8217;t get into Chinese SAP schools because they are forced to take Malay or Tamil as their 2nd (or 1st) language, because of MOE&#8217;s Mother Tongue policy. </p>
<p>Would Malays and Tamils agree to their children not being forced to take a certain language? I know many Chinese will chafe at the idea of not forcing Chinese students to study Chinese.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m for the relaxation or even elimination of the Mother Tongue policy. But the 2nd language choices should be limited to only Chinese, Malay and Tamil (our official languages), not French or Japanese, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: aygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>aygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just goes to show - how much of a little red dot we are.

we need China to survive, and China will make its presence felt in our economies and lives and cultures, as much as British, American, European, Middle Eastern and Indian nations have over the centuries.

in my opinion, there should be some compromise. While we dont like it, we also need to be dynamic and face the facts - it is going to happen.  Embrace it.

What Gerald has put out - the SAP schools is the one that i question. why is this solely for the Chinese?  if its a language thingy, then why not empower good Malay and Indian students too? why just the best of the chinese students get SAP schools? is this not an elitist policy that borders on racial lines?  Why cant we prepare Malay and Indian students to one day be business leaders dealing with China? Are the minorities any less equipped?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just goes to show &#8211; how much of a little red dot we are.</p>
<p>we need China to survive, and China will make its presence felt in our economies and lives and cultures, as much as British, American, European, Middle Eastern and Indian nations have over the centuries.</p>
<p>in my opinion, there should be some compromise. While we dont like it, we also need to be dynamic and face the facts &#8211; it is going to happen.  Embrace it.</p>
<p>What Gerald has put out &#8211; the SAP schools is the one that i question. why is this solely for the Chinese?  if its a language thingy, then why not empower good Malay and Indian students too? why just the best of the chinese students get SAP schools? is this not an elitist policy that borders on racial lines?  Why cant we prepare Malay and Indian students to one day be business leaders dealing with China? Are the minorities any less equipped?</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And SAP schools too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And SAP schools too.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This ‘disturbing trend’, she added, could push Singapore along the route of Western countries, where there is growing resentment towards enclaves taken over by foreign residents.&quot;

Such &#039;enclaves&#039; are bolstered by similar circumstances in the rest of the country which precious few local chinese have been concerned about given that it does not affect their interests - i.e mother tongue policy, speak mandarin campaign, mandarin as a requirement for employment in many arenas, under-representation or misrepresentation of non-chinese in the media, equating the idea of &#039;majority&#039; with &#039;race&#039;, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This ‘disturbing trend’, she added, could push Singapore along the route of Western countries, where there is growing resentment towards enclaves taken over by foreign residents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such &#8216;enclaves&#8217; are bolstered by similar circumstances in the rest of the country which precious few local chinese have been concerned about given that it does not affect their interests &#8211; i.e mother tongue policy, speak mandarin campaign, mandarin as a requirement for employment in many arenas, under-representation or misrepresentation of non-chinese in the media, equating the idea of &#8216;majority&#8217; with &#8216;race&#8217;, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes true, there are lots of Chinese Singaporeans of Peranakan origin who don&#039;t speak any Mandarin. It&#039;s often worse for them cos these China staff (and often local Chinese) assume they can speak Mandarin but they can&#039;t. They complain that they feel like a stranger in their own country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes true, there are lots of Chinese Singaporeans of Peranakan origin who don&#8217;t speak any Mandarin. It&#8217;s often worse for them cos these China staff (and often local Chinese) assume they can speak Mandarin but they can&#8217;t. They complain that they feel like a stranger in their own country.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait wait... we also have Singapore Chinese that don&#039;t speak Mandarin. What about them? It is not just the minority races we are talking about.

If immigrants want to come in, the least they can do is speak our language. Not force us to speak theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait wait&#8230; we also have Singapore Chinese that don&#8217;t speak Mandarin. What about them? It is not just the minority races we are talking about.</p>
<p>If immigrants want to come in, the least they can do is speak our language. Not force us to speak theirs.</p>
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